The central theme of these readings seems to be pathos vs. logos. The first verbal sparring match we see is between Agamemnon and Achilles, which is super-charged with emotions: anger, pride, etc., and this argument is—essentially—settled by Athena. It is understandable why Achilles, a brilliant warrior, would take offense. However, Achilles does not handle the situation very well and behaves like a petulant child: "if you won’t play fair with me, I’m going to take my toys and go home!" One of the ways that Diodotus approaches his audience in The Peloponnesian War is by appealing to their sense of intelligence and self-preservation. If Achilles had handled his dispute with Agamemnon in this way, he might have yielded better results. As Diodotus says, “The two things most opposed to good counsel are haste and passion” (Matsen 25).
Though war is rarely the stage on which reason and cool-headed thinking prevail over blood-thirst and anger, there are those (such as Odysseus) who are able to keep their heads, and it is the thinkers who tend to come out on top: Achilles is killed in battle, Agamemnon is killed in a tub and Odysseus saves the day with an idea and gets to live a long and interesting life.
The same problem of emotional irrationality can be applied to Cleon. His speech is choked by emotion. I think that while passion can rile people up and get them to move, it can easily dissipate, so what Diodotus proposes is more logical. He would like for the Athenians to consider the fact that revenge, and the erroneous idea that the death penalty curbs violence, is not a good enough reason to put a great deal of people to death.
Cleon, on the other hand, is too much the warrior and not enough the thinker. His inability to grasp the possible results of bloody actions makes him unreliable and, thus, makes his speech less effective than that of Diodotus. In leaving out the possible (and logical) outcome of a mass execution, Cleon fails to comprehend that his proposed actions, as Diodotus points out, will hurt rather than help the state.
Isocrates faced the same dilemma, though he seemed to be on the losing side of the battle. His accusers were ruled by self-interest, and nothing rules self-interest like emotions. Isocrates’s arguments, on the other hand, seemed entirely logical. First off, when a perfectly good boat goes out to sea and gets torn to bits, whom do you blame? It’s not the boat maker, for heaven’s sake. It could be the captain or the crewmembers, Poseidon, the Fates, but the not boat maker. People can twist anything good into something rotten by allowing their emotions to bleed into their logic.
Second, he brings up the problem that, apparently, is age-old. If children do not choose to discipline themselves and apply themselves to getting an education, it does not matter how good the teacher is, the child will fail.
A larger aspect of what I think Isocrates and a lot of other teachers faced (and still face) is fear. For some reason (and this is just my own observation), people tend to be more afraid of those who are mentally acute than anything else. If a person is financially superior, they are despised, if a person is morally superior, they are revered, if a person is physically superior, they are praised (and paid disgusting amounts of money), but if a person is mentally superior they get beat up on the playground. Isocrates points out that people are encouraged to exercise their bodies in order to be healthy, and yet exercising their minds (through philosophy) is disdained. This goes back to what Diodotus said, “[If a man] realizes that while he cannot speak well in a bad cause, he can at least slander well and thus intimidate both his opponents and his hearers” (Matsen 25). If people cannot match a man intelligently, they'll go straight for the petty insults.
I agree, but remember that this problem is as old as rhetoric. Conley presents the problem as still being unclear in its origins, but Thersites faced discrimination because he was judged as NOT being mentally acute (2) in the Iliad. I would have liked to have read from Book II to explore that reversal of general consensus more: Thersites is of a lower class and is subject to spite, accomplishing what Agamemnon could not in terms of motivating his troops.
ReplyDeleteAnother consideration is that the status of the speaker is not fair of appearance, and is not distinguished in battle, even though Thersites state the exact argument as Agamemnon. It is not only the content of the argument that carries weight,but the status of the speaker is of prime consideration. Thersites has no right to take the floor which only accelorates the tension, which Conley points out is "between being right and having the social right to participate in public discussion" (2).
ReplyDeleteYou make a fascinating point in the last paragraph. Intellectual superiority does seem to be something we fear as a culture. There seems to be an irrepressible need to dismiss or downplay those who are intelligent embodied by bumper stickers like "my kid can beat up your honors student." While I find the sticker amusing, and a clever parody of the prevalent honors student bumper stickers, why is it that we feel the need to put down intellectual and high cultural achievement?
ReplyDelete(I must add I hate the high/low dichotomy when discussing culture because of the implicit superiority/inferiority in the labels, but one must use the common tongue...)
Institutional mediocrity has the status of a historical norm. Taken to the extreme, the final result of this appears in Kurt Vonnegut's short story "Harrison Bergeron."
ReplyDeleteEven the superior in other areas of human experience hold on to social acceptance/tolerance in only a tentative and limited sort of way. When the beautiful start to get old, people gloat over how they are not aging well. The athletes are probably doping and there is an exultant "ah-hah" when those suspicions are confirmed.The financially superior are probably crooks (especially if they are female. Remember Martha Stewart?), and society stands ready to take them down. The morally superior (who the heck do they think they are!) are almost always proven to be either hypocrites or perhaps simply unbalanced and unrealistic (claims leveled against Jesus on a number of occasions). Plato, in his elitist way, was laying claim to the right and desirability for individuals to seek the moral high road. He was not populist, and wanting to achieve personal excellence is not popular to those who surround the seeker. Just try going on a diet and see how many folks shove a doughnut in your face expressing concern about how "undernourished" you are. Try working out more, and there will be those advising you to take it easy and to not get too "fanatical" about exercise. Gravity is a law that seems to apply in more areas than just the physical.
It was interesting to read about rhetoric after including it in my persuasive speech unit for my juniors. I always encourage them to use both logos and pathos in their persuasive speeches, but nine times out of ten, the speeches loaded with pathos win out. A student can write an incredible speech, but if their presentation is lacking, their peers will always rate them lower--even if the speech is extremely logical and well thought out.
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